31. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. 15. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). I thought youd like that. We will never attain that on this side. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? 19:13-15. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if Hypocrites! The Conservative Baptist Association: "Winning the World" 24. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Like a grenade strike, no commitment to understand or empathize, just broad and arrogant assumptions. These are right on the money! 4. Wow. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist - Wikipedia There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. I love devotions with the Lord. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. They all work together. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! Independent Fundamental There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. 53. What is a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. 5 Everything they do is for show. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. I was taught that. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. What an extensive list. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. I survived the Christian fundamentalist world - Baptist News The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. N/A Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Southern Baptist Beliefs I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. God forgave my husband through Christ. 2. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. *gasp* Just kidding, just kiddingwe at least look for Baptist on the sign so were good . Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. 32. The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Its NOT ABOUT US! We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. . These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. I prefer Kjv! Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. OMG = Oh My Goodness! WebWARNING!!!! If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith I must put it in Jesus Christ. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us WebOur Mission. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. WebEvery active member wishing to speak shall rise and respectfully address the moderator. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs We told to get married. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. I have no opinion on this Also, we lived in a free Appartement with food stamps. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. Independent Fundamental Baptist Christ suffered and Your happy mega churches do too. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? For they dont practice what they teach. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. No one is "born into the church." She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Yes, see my answer to your first question. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Hypocrites! WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. 55. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. 9. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. 17. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. They were so grieved by the fact that they had broken a 30+ year record of being at church three times a week. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). My pastor and his wife sent evil. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. They are already spelled out in the Bible. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Come and join. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Matthew 6:14-15 If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. Wow! Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Then you have churches with no standards . Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. Care to elaborate, provide examples? We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. 3. I know the answers now. Welcome to the Duggars world of Independent 40. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. Praise the lord for giving it to us. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 33 Snakes! Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. He is the Head of the church. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. Read Matthew 23 for more information. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. IFB Singles Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. Whats wrong with a tract rack? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. I have read other versions of the Bible. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their Mick Herron Slough House 2021, Plum Court Apartments, Oklahoma Drivers License Endorsements, Articles I
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